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James Birk, shot 3 times with a .22 caliber revolver. "No serious injury"
and was arrested (meaning he's still alive) for burglary and other charges.

my comments:
Shot 3 times, and basically did nothing.

Unnamed intruder shot once by a .22 caliber revolver. Died immediately.

my comments:
Shot once by a .22 and died immediately, when 3 shots did not stop the last guy.

Randy Carr, shot in the lower chest with a .44 magnum. Then returned fire with
a semiautomatic rifle, (unnamed) large caliber. Ronald Fry hit in the chest by
the rifle round, turned, ran out of the house, and collapsed by his truck in the
street. Arrested for burglary and other charges.

my comments:
How did Randy return fire? If he was hit by the all powerful .44 magnum, he was
immediately obliterated from existence, right? How did Ronald retreat if he was
hit by a large caliber rifle in the chest? Since rifles are more powerful than
handguns, he was immediately obliterated also, right?

Unnamed intruder shot once in the chest with a .38. Died immediately.

my comments:
Here's a guy shot in the chest by a .38, but he died immediately, when the last
guy was shot with a .44, but nothing happened.

Anyone notice a pattern here? Right; no pattern. There are no guarantees with
guns. No matter what magic caliber you have, there is no certain number of rounds
you will fire. Some days it's one, some days, it's all you have on you. Shoot
until the threat is no longer a threat.

Chris Cummings "emptied" two magazines at multiple (exact number unknown) intruders.
All intruders returned fire, but fled the scene. Chris was not hit, and apparently
none of the intruders was hit, or at the very least, none were hit in a vital area.
Over all, about 30 rounds were fired.

my comments:
Wonder where those 30 rounds went, since, most of them did not hit the intended target?

February, 2004
An armed student from a Memphis, TN range is attacked from behind in a parking lot
while buying gas. The attacker was not provoked, and as it turns out, had a history
of mental problems and violent attacks on other people (for no reason). The student
fires three rounds of 230 grain forty-five caliber Federal Hydra-shoks into the upper
chest of the attacker. The attacker turns and runs 25 yards before collapsing.

my comments:
Three rounds of .45 caliber Hyrda-shock to the upper chest and the man still ran 25
yards before collapsing? That's not possible is it? Oh, I guess all the bullshit
you hear about guns isn't really always the truth. Thank goodness it only took me
36 years to figure that out!! -interject sarcasm-

More "no stop" incidents:

Incident 1:
Officer shoots suspect with undisclosed caliber service weapon (keep
in mind, this was a "duty" weapon, so it was likely a 9mm, .40 or
.45). Suspect hit with two rounds, upper center chest, absolutely no
effect. Suspect returns one shot and hits officer in the head.
Officer dies instantly.

Incident 2:
Suspect hit in the upper chest with five 230 grain .45 caliber hollow-
point with NO EFFECT! Officer's gun jams. Officer clears the jam, fires
one more shot. Suspect drops knife BUT DOES NOT FALL TO THE GROUND.
Suspect quoted as saying "the shots felt like bee stings."

Incident 3:
Suspect hit in the upper chest with six .40 caliber hollowpoint
rounds. No visible effect. One officer fires a final round a few
seconds later, hitting the suspect in the spinal cord. Suspect falls
to the ground.

Incident 4:
Suspect shot at officers and fled. Officer's returned fire at fleeing
suspect. Suspect ran 3-4 blocks to a friends house, where he passed
out a few minutes later. Suspect stated he did not know he had been
shot, even though he had been hit 13 times by 9mm hollowpoint and
stated that it did not hurt until he woke up at the hospital.

Incident 5:
In November of 1992, South Carolina State Trooper Mark Coates stopped
a Ford Mustang for a traffic violation. Richard Blackburn, the driver,
after a few moments of compliance, drew a gun.

Trooper coates shot Blackburn in the chest five times with a .357
magnum (yep, a .357 magnum) and Blackburn returned fire with a .22
deringer (firing long-rifle rounds), striking the trooper once near
the shoulder and then, a few seconds later, once in the chest, breaking
a rib, then severing the aorta.

The suspect, despite being shot five times in the chest with a .357
magnum, survived and is now serving a life sentence in prison.

2003 NRA Officer of the Year Responding to a shoplifting call, Sgt. Young placed one suspect under arrest when a second suspect, Neal Beckman, an ex-convict and member of a violent white supremacist prison group, approached him with his hands in his pockets. Beckman admitted he had a knife in his left pocket, and as Sgt. Young was disarming him, Beckman drew a .38 caliber revolver from his right pocket and fired, striking Young in the head, side, and back and shattering the bone in his right arm. Sgt. Young's left hand was also seriously injured.

From John Farnum

From a female friend in SA: "Just to let you know what happened to me on the weekend. I was robbed, sitting in my car, window down (it's summer here), waiting for the light to change. This is in downtown Capetown. I was on the phone, talking to my husband. A person came to my window distributing pamphlets. I mumbled that I wasn't interested. Next thing, I see a person (same one? I don't know!) at my window, bending down and grabbing the gold chain from around my neck. I grabbed hold of it with my left hand and tried to yank it back. Last thing I saw was my chain going out the window! I yelled that I am being robbed, but no one paid much attention. I then went to the Waterfront, where I approached a security guard, who was helpful. He took me to their headquarters, took a makeshift statement, and called the police. An hour later, Sgt Adams of the Table View Police arrived, casually took my statement and gave me the case number, so I could make an insurance claim. There was no attempt to actually investigate the incident or identify and arrest the robber. I had to confront to fact that, until now, I've been living in a dream world. I am responsible for my own safety? I always thought the police did that! What have I learned? That I have been foolishly naive. I need to make significant changes in my routine, indeed in my entire personal philosophy. I really am 'on my own.' Aren't I?" Comment: My friend learned an important lesson cheaply. All she lost was a piece of jewelry. She is lucky to be alive! Yes, we are all "on our own!"

Robert V. Robinson "Robbie"
My Experience and Training